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SP
07-16-2016, 05:46 PM
Haven't done one for a year so leggo

Everyone join!

towelie
07-16-2016, 06:18 PM
okay

scottyboy
07-16-2016, 06:19 PM
i can try if you need. I'll be bad, but I'll try my best!

Zach
07-16-2016, 10:03 PM
I'll try as well.

Rob S
07-17-2016, 12:02 AM
Sure why not.

McGee
07-17-2016, 12:13 AM
i can try if you need. I'll be bad, but I'll try my best!

this shall be the universal standard

SP
07-17-2016, 04:42 AM
Will start in the morning, assuming that means you're in McGee

cgf
07-17-2016, 05:23 AM
I'm game

Klaus
07-17-2016, 08:30 AM
Fuck it, I'm in.

Klaus
07-17-2016, 08:31 AM
Are we doing current players or all time?

SP
07-17-2016, 09:27 AM
Current players

Rob S
07-17-2016, 03:24 PM
fuck you and your random generator.

towelie
07-17-2016, 03:32 PM
idk why you're complaining, it's perfect value to grab newcastle talent at 8 and 9

Zach
07-17-2016, 03:55 PM
Kinda sucks having first pick tbh :/

towelie
07-17-2016, 04:21 PM
could we keep phone numbers on OP so we can text when OTC?

Zach
07-17-2016, 04:24 PM
276-274-9118

SP
07-17-2016, 05:19 PM
Blah.

towelie
07-17-2016, 05:31 PM
Blah.
you'd be an exception since you're.. special

Klaus
07-17-2016, 06:19 PM
*Please let my guy slip to #7, please let my guy slip to #7, please let my guy slip to #7...*

SP
07-17-2016, 08:43 PM
There are only 2 other guys that would be seen as slipping to #7. Seems unlikely either of them will.

edit: 1 after Scotty's pick

scottyboy
07-17-2016, 08:43 PM
Sorry for the delay guys, floating in gramma's pool...lost track of time

Klaus
07-17-2016, 08:45 PM
There are only 2 other guys that would be seen as slipping to #7. Seems unlikely either of them will.

You are putting too much emphasis on the word "slipping" in my post.

Anyway, off to bed. Will check in first thing in the morning. If you make it to my pick within the next 7.5 hours, just skip me, and I'll make a pick when I wake up.

SP
07-17-2016, 08:50 PM
You are putting too much emphasis on the word "slipping" in my post.

Anyway, off to bed. Will check in first thing in the morning. If you make it to my pick within the next 7.5 hours, just skip me, and I'll make a pick when I wake up.

Oh okay aha.

And you could just send a list with 4 names on it

Klaus
07-17-2016, 08:51 PM
Oh okay aha.

And you could just send a list with 4 names on it

Can I ship it to you, or should I ask one of the americans?

SP
07-17-2016, 08:52 PM
Can I ship it to you, or should I ask one of the americans?

I'll be around

towelie
07-17-2016, 08:57 PM
oy this is tough

Klaus
07-17-2016, 09:00 PM
I'll be around

Cheers. Shipped you a PM with a handfull of names.

Rob S
07-17-2016, 09:36 PM
Is this for 1 year and assuming health?

SP
07-17-2016, 09:48 PM
Yes and yes

scottyboy
07-17-2016, 11:53 PM
I hate you McGee :(

McGee
07-17-2016, 11:55 PM
Had your chance.

SP
07-18-2016, 12:19 AM
http://i.imgur.com/u49RY3N.gif

Klaus
07-18-2016, 05:53 AM
I'm up and ready to pick.

I hate you McGee :(

Lewa was never getting past my picks.

towelie
07-18-2016, 05:12 PM
let's just pick a kraut for cgf

Zach
07-18-2016, 05:12 PM
Anyone have a way to contact him?

SP
07-18-2016, 06:05 PM
Griez <3

McGee
07-18-2016, 06:07 PM
Griez <3

very much indeed

Rob S
07-18-2016, 06:12 PM
Well - this worked out.

cgf
07-18-2016, 06:16 PM
Well - this worked out.

Don't be a dick.

Rob S
07-18-2016, 06:19 PM
Don't be a dick.

I really wanted Bale, but didn't think I had a chance. Can't argue with any of the picks thus far though, expect maybe Neymar over Ronaldo.

towelie
07-18-2016, 06:24 PM
I really wanted Bale, but didn't think I had a chance. Can't argue with any of the picks thus far though, expect maybe Neymar over Ronaldo.
i had a tough time picking suarez over bale

cgf
07-18-2016, 06:25 PM
I really wanted Bale, but didn't think I had a chance. Can't argue with any of the picks thus far though, expect maybe Neymar over Ronaldo.

You didn't take either of the guys I was afraid you would; so we're good. *thumps up*

cgf
07-18-2016, 06:26 PM
i had a tough time picking suarez over bale

Really? I wouldn't have. If Suarez were still around he'd have been my pick.

SP
07-18-2016, 06:27 PM
I would have taken both Neymar and Suarez over Ronaldo *shrugs*

SP
07-18-2016, 06:29 PM
Yeah, I wasn't sure about that Coutinho pick, either

cgf
07-18-2016, 06:31 PM
Yeah, I wasn't sure about that Coutinho pick, either

Yeah, that's our first bad reach & mistake. Coutinho's got some skills; but this is way too early for him.

SP
07-18-2016, 06:32 PM
I almost didn't want to make it and wait for Klaus to do it himself lol.

Rob S
07-18-2016, 06:36 PM
I would have taken both Neymar and Suarez over Ronaldo *shrugs*

I can absolutely see that. Current Ronaldo is pretty lazy and pretty much hangs out around the box. Production is still out of this world though. I would have taken Ronaldo #2, but I def. see the argument.

SP
07-18-2016, 06:47 PM
Yeah he's basically just a poacher at this point and is pretty one dimensional. The depth on the wing compared to upfront makes me regret not taking Suarez though.

Rob S
07-18-2016, 07:06 PM
Godin <3

scottyboy
07-18-2016, 07:31 PM
If Ronaldo went 2, I was picking Bale at 3. And I wanted pogba to fall back to me but knew he wouldn't meh

Zach
07-18-2016, 07:33 PM
Heads up I'll be driving so if someone will text me I can let them know who I want.

McGee
07-18-2016, 07:39 PM
It was tougher for me to take Lewa than you might think. It's possible that all of the wanted parties are yet to be named but Bale and Griezmann are so very desirable.

Klaus
07-18-2016, 08:21 PM
Yeah, that's our first bad reach & mistake. Coutinho's got some skills; but this is way too early for him.

Meh, I just wanted Griezman, and flipped a quick board together before bed last night. Had I made the pick myself today, probably would've gone another way. There's one guy in particular I completely forgot on my board, but he's still available, so we'll see if he makes it to my next selection.
And as a LFC fan I love Coutinho so whatever.

Klaus
07-18-2016, 08:25 PM
It was tougher for me to take Lewa than you might think. It's possible that all of the wanted parties are yet to be named but Bale and Griezmann are so very desirable.

I wanted Lewa very bad. Right behind Griezman on my board.

SP
07-18-2016, 08:32 PM
Meh, I just wanted Griezman, and flipped a quick board together before bed last night. Had I made the pick myself today, probably would've gone another way. There's one guy in particular I completely forgot on my board, but he's still available, so we'll see if he makes it to my next selection.
And as a LFC fan I love Coutinho so whatever.

Who is it? I can just edit the post and swap.

Klaus
07-18-2016, 08:33 PM
Who is it? I can just edit the post and swap.

Seriously? Well if that's cool, please give me Romelu Lukaku instead.

SP
07-18-2016, 08:39 PM
Again not who I was expecting but okay :D

Klaus
07-18-2016, 08:41 PM
Again not who I was expecting but okay :D

I love me some Romelu :-)

scottyboy
07-18-2016, 08:52 PM
Wtf you can't take my Lukaku :(

I'm here, gimme a minute fellas

Klaus
07-18-2016, 08:59 PM
Wtf you can't take my Lukaku :(

I'm here, gimme a minute fellas

I'm sorry buddy.

Rob S
07-18-2016, 09:11 PM
This is going very slow.

Also, how many rounds are we going?

SP
07-18-2016, 09:14 PM
5 subs

We could start a clock, 2 hours between 9am/12pm ET?

Rob S
07-18-2016, 09:15 PM
I'm OK no clock for now, but if it doesn't start moving soon I think a 2 hour clock works. We could even just do 9-5 EST for Klaus (and you, even though you are up until like 1am est every day for some reason)

SP
07-18-2016, 09:22 PM
Forget what I previously said, I'll take Neymar + Aguero over Suarez and whatever winger I could've picked.

Klaus
07-18-2016, 09:24 PM
I'm OK no clock for now, but if it doesn't start moving soon I think a 2 hour clock works. We could even just do 9-5 EST for Klaus (and you, even though you are up until like 1am est every day for some reason)

This is fine by me, whenever we start having a clock, I'll make sure to ship somebody a board at all times.

Rob S
07-18-2016, 09:26 PM
Forget what I previously said, I'll take Neymar + Aguero over Suarez and whatever winger I could've picked.

After my picks, I had Aguero #1 or #2 on my board.

towelie
07-18-2016, 09:26 PM
Forget what I previously said, I'll take Neymar + Aguero over Suarez and whatever winger I could've picked.
whatever you say negrito

towelie
07-18-2016, 09:28 PM
suarez or aguero, ceteris paribus.

aguero is stronger but suarez has more of that unpredictable magic capability and workrate

scottyboy
07-18-2016, 09:35 PM
Yeah but fuck Aguero and Suarez

SP
07-18-2016, 09:36 PM
whatever you say negrito

Following in Suarez's footsteps I see.

suarez or aguero, ceteris paribus.

aguero is stronger but suarez has more of that unpredictable magic capability and workrate

I'd definitely give Suarez the edge because of that, plus injuries, but it's close enough that I'll take Aguero + Neymar.

Suarez/Bale would probably be the equivalent.

scottyboy
07-18-2016, 09:47 PM
YOU CANT STOP MY HANDSOME WINGERS.

and Alexis Sanchez loves Labrador retrievers sooooo

SP
07-18-2016, 10:07 PM
Someone text Zach, he left his number in here.

McGee
07-18-2016, 10:13 PM
Aguero is a good pick but I don't think SP can give him the love and admiration that I would have.

scottyboy
07-18-2016, 10:23 PM
I texted Zach

And for future reference if need be, my number is 732 882 8426

scottyboy
07-18-2016, 10:26 PM
He said he will make the pick in 30

McGee
07-18-2016, 10:47 PM
And for future reference if need be, my number is 732 882 8426

https://media.giphy.com/media/OUybdMKD0SQ5a/giphy.gif

Zach
07-18-2016, 10:52 PM
Here. Thinking it over but I think I know who I want.

Zach
07-18-2016, 10:56 PM
#WeveGotPayet

Can't pass him up as a homer.

SP
07-18-2016, 10:58 PM
Knew it'd be Payet. Nice pick though, love him.

Zach
07-18-2016, 11:00 PM
Him on the left and Messi on the right :D

SP
07-18-2016, 11:42 PM
Dammit I wanted Kante

Rob S
07-19-2016, 12:17 AM
About right for Hazard. Good pick there.

Rob S
07-19-2016, 01:16 AM
Do you have a list for Klaus?

SP
07-19-2016, 01:18 AM
Coutinho is the only guy left from it. Hmm.

Rob S
07-19-2016, 01:22 AM
I guess it doesn't make sense to put the pick in then - would come right back around to him anyway.

SP
07-19-2016, 01:23 AM
I realised that right after posting the pick haha.

Rob S
07-19-2016, 01:24 AM
You can delete it and I'll send you a list. That way you and Klaus can work through the next 4 picks in Euro AM.

SP
07-19-2016, 01:27 AM
I haven't seen a Euro AM for quite a while, unless this counts!

Bleh, we'll start a clock tomorrow for definite.

cgf
07-19-2016, 02:07 AM
lol I completely forgot about Kun. I'd have probably still taken Dybala over him, but when healthy they are pretty much equals...for next season at least.

Klaus
07-19-2016, 02:50 AM
My bad fellas. But I'm good with Coutinho there. Rob is up.

Rob S
07-19-2016, 02:54 AM
Goddam you Europeans don't sleep.

Klaus
07-19-2016, 02:55 AM
Sleep is overrated. If you can make a couple of quick picks, I got my next guy ready.

cgf
07-19-2016, 02:57 AM
Goddam you Europeans don't sleep.

We's hard like dat.

Sleep is overrated. If you can make a couple of quick picks, I got my next guy ready.

Ditto.

cgf
07-19-2016, 03:12 AM
Biscuits is a good pick. Was debating between him & Bonucci before I saw your pick.

Rob S
07-19-2016, 03:14 AM
Was thinking about Biscuits as well and he's a really good pick here.

cgf
07-19-2016, 04:16 AM
McGee you asshole. You're such a dick.

McGee
07-19-2016, 04:18 AM
That's, like, my main thing.

scottyboy
07-19-2016, 04:19 AM
Kroos was my pick eff off

towelie
07-19-2016, 04:25 AM
how many rounds? i propose 15? more the merrier for i

cgf
07-19-2016, 04:29 AM
That's, like, my main thing.

This is why Buffalo isn't allowed to have nice things.

Rob S
07-19-2016, 01:22 PM
Can you update the big board, SP?

scottyboy
07-19-2016, 01:28 PM
Ugh, a lot of guys I wanted just went. Pick up shortly

Rob S
07-19-2016, 02:30 PM
Due to job stuff, I'm going to be totally unreachable from 1:45 - 4ish. Pick you fuckers.

McGee
07-19-2016, 02:34 PM
look I need everyone to stop swearing at me

up in a minute

Rob S
07-19-2016, 02:40 PM
look I need everyone to stop swearing at me

up in a minute

Henrikh was a great pick, so worth the wait.

Klaus
07-19-2016, 02:45 PM
Ill check in again in about 90 min. Hope cgf keeps his hands of the guy i want.

McGee
07-19-2016, 02:50 PM
Henrikh was a great pick, so worth the wait.

needless to say I was not the most pleased with his move this summer

SP
07-19-2016, 04:09 PM
I already know who Rob is going to take dammit

cgf
07-19-2016, 04:12 PM
SP's been letting me know through what's app; but I don't always notice that right away; so my # is (773) 807-3180

SP
07-19-2016, 05:27 PM
Not sure what Rob is doing. Sent me a list with only one name on and will be gone in 20 minutes...

Klaus
07-19-2016, 05:46 PM
Will have next pick up in 20

scottyboy
07-19-2016, 08:52 PM
Gonna be out for a while so please text when I'm up again. Plus I'll be playing volleyball for an hour so it might be a smidge of a delay. Apologies.

SP
07-19-2016, 08:59 PM
I nearly took PEA at 18 lmao, nice pick

Rob S
07-19-2016, 09:31 PM
I sent Zach a text.

Klaus
07-19-2016, 09:42 PM
I've send a board to Zach. Out for the night. Take care gents.

Zach
07-19-2016, 10:01 PM
Sorry I am for some reason roaming. Picking in ten.

towelie
07-19-2016, 10:15 PM
I nearly took PEA at 18 lmao, nice pick
i think i'm finally getting a hang of soccer drafts now. i missed on chiellini and alaba but i'm loving my side so far.

scottyboy
07-20-2016, 12:02 AM
Should've picked Alaba and PEA, bummed at myself for that

cgf
07-20-2016, 12:09 AM
Alaba's a fun piece to get creative with.

SP
07-20-2016, 12:20 AM
He is. I have two potential lineups atm made possible by his (and Mascherano's) versatility.

towelie
07-20-2016, 12:52 AM
i'm torn if i should position kante with a more defensive MF or have him as a single pivot. having drinkwater deeper allowed him to roam as a ball winner last season and i think he could be a liability with shielding my CBs. and he's small but i think he could pull off the mascherano DM role under the right manager.

SP
07-20-2016, 01:03 AM
Kante can do anything, I wouldn't worry about that.

Vidal, Kante and a playmaker would be fine if you're wanting to go with a midfield three.

McGee
07-20-2016, 02:01 AM
(is he going to pick?)

SP
07-20-2016, 02:03 AM
Well it's been 2 hours now so you can pick, McGee.

Zach
07-20-2016, 02:09 AM
Getting that defense set.

towelie
07-20-2016, 02:25 AM
oh shite that just happened. how many seconds apart were we?

i'll repick in 5 min.

McGee
07-20-2016, 02:27 AM
McGee you asshole. You're such a dick.

^^^^^

SP
07-20-2016, 02:27 AM
Photo finish!

towelie
07-20-2016, 02:29 AM
^^^^^
at least use the pick i spent 5 min perusing for. ya dick

Klaus
07-20-2016, 05:32 AM
Very good pick McGee.

towelie
07-20-2016, 06:08 AM
how many rounds??

Klaus
07-20-2016, 07:26 AM
how many rounds??

15 I guess?

SP
07-20-2016, 12:54 PM
16, 5 substitutes

Klaus
07-20-2016, 12:56 PM
Cool. Btw when is CGF on the clock?

McGee
07-20-2016, 01:51 PM
Lots of positive reinforcement in this thread, you are good fellas. PEA and Mahrez were some of my more recent favorites, both are a joy. SP had good value with his Barca block. Guerriero was an intriguing one to me. He was a name I had in mind possibly for a bit later but I just haven't seen enough of him prior to the tournament.

SP
07-20-2016, 01:52 PM
Now, until 11 ET

Klaus
07-20-2016, 02:50 PM
Now, until 11 ET

Cool. So his time is up in 15 min? (I always screw up the time difference, lol )

cgf
07-20-2016, 03:03 PM
My bad guys. bae started working at a new bar yesterday; so we had drinks on the roof with her coworkers until late, and then polished off a pitcher of sangria after we got back to her place.

Klaus
07-20-2016, 03:20 PM
My bad guys. bae started working at a new bar yesterday; so we had drinks on the roof with her coworkers until late, and then polished off a pitcher of sangria after we got back to her place.

No worries man, sangria comes first.

towelie
07-20-2016, 04:44 PM
i feel like i always end up with dave

McGee
07-20-2016, 04:52 PM
Not a bad thing to end up with. Good guy to have on either side.

towelie
07-20-2016, 04:54 PM
Not a bad thing to end up with. Good guy to have on either side.
alaba and rodriguez seem like the crown jewel FBs in these drafts for me. i always just miss and settle for a dave

cgf
07-20-2016, 05:17 PM
RiRo had a mediocre year and I rate Guerreiro more atm. His runs are just so much smarter n more threatening; even if his left foot isn't as magical.

And tbh Alaba is better in midfield or in a back three than he is at LB; by a significant margin.

scottyboy
07-20-2016, 05:26 PM
I can't risk McGee taking any more of my Poles

McGee
07-20-2016, 05:32 PM
<333 Piszczek

I haven't been in much of a hurry to take fullbacks but there was a solid chance he would have ended up on my team.

Rob S
07-20-2016, 05:37 PM
Filipe Luis was the best FB in the world last year, guys.

SP
07-20-2016, 05:46 PM
Better than Paul Dummett?

Klaus
07-20-2016, 05:47 PM
Higuain is a nice get at this point of the draft. Good pick SP.

SP
07-20-2016, 05:49 PM
Just a value pick, don't really know where he fits on my team lol.

Klaus
07-20-2016, 05:51 PM
Just a value pick, don't really know where he fits on my team lol.

Same reason I didn't target him after picking Lukaku earlier. Regardless, you can always find a spot for a man with his qualities.

Rob S
07-20-2016, 05:51 PM
Yup - was down to either Ibra or him for me. Both steals at this point imo.

Zach
07-20-2016, 05:55 PM
Gonna be a little bit

Rob S
07-20-2016, 06:12 PM
Marcelo was a good get.

towelie
07-20-2016, 06:29 PM
give me 15 min

cgf
07-20-2016, 06:30 PM
Just a value pick, don't really know where he fits on my team lol.

This is why I took Icardi...this and the fact that he gives no fucks

towelie
07-20-2016, 06:36 PM
didn't realize how much james looks like a smaller varane

Zach
07-20-2016, 06:48 PM
Marcelo was a good get.

Thank you, finishes my back line.

Klaus
07-20-2016, 06:52 PM
This is why I took Icardi...this and the fact that he gives no fucks

Every team needs one guy who gives zero fucks. Come to think of it, I probably need to find one of those guys with one of my next picks.

Is Paulo Di Canio still around...?

cgf
07-20-2016, 07:44 PM
Been considering Hamez with m last two picks.

McGee
07-20-2016, 07:47 PM
yeah I should have gone for the Rodriguez block last time around. woof. let's see now

Klaus
07-20-2016, 08:06 PM
Now I'm forced to love McGees team more than I already did.
I need a minute or two on this decision, guys.

Klaus
07-20-2016, 08:27 PM
Two Arsenal players in my squad. May the gods have mercy on my soul.

Klaus
07-20-2016, 10:00 PM
Out for the night. Don't have a board, so if Rob comes around, just skip my next pick, and I'll make one tomorrow morning. Peace.

SP
07-20-2016, 10:03 PM
Well you'll be up in 20 minutes

Klaus
07-20-2016, 10:20 PM
Send you a PM

towelie
07-20-2016, 10:36 PM
dembele is so underrated cause he can't stay healthy but at times, he's impossible to take the ball from. i like him way over witsel, who i think gets overrated for the hair and name. can't rate him too high til he plays in a top league.

Rob S
07-20-2016, 10:56 PM
Dembele was absolutely insane last year. Advanced stats (for whatever they are worth) had him as the best box-to-box midfielder in Europe. Eye test certainly has him as the best Spurs MF player last year, which is saying something.

cgf
07-20-2016, 11:02 PM
Dembele is a beast in pressing and great at holding onto the ball. If you use him in the right role, he's a serious contributor.

SP
07-20-2016, 11:04 PM
Dembele is great but I rebuke any introduction of advanced stats into football!

cgf
07-20-2016, 11:04 PM
Dembele is great but I rebuke any introduction of advanced stats into football!

some are interesting. what Reinartz's start up is doing is very interesting.

Rob S
07-20-2016, 11:05 PM
Dembele is a beast in pressing and great at holding onto the ball. If you use him in the right role, he's a serious contributor.

That is what he'll be doing. Harassing the opposition, retrieving the ball, holding it until a pass opens up, and then getting it to the more dynamic playmakers.

Rob S
07-20-2016, 11:06 PM
Dembele is great but I rebuke any introduction of advanced stats into football!

There has to be something in Opta. I seriously can't believe there is no insight to be gleaned there.

SP
07-20-2016, 11:09 PM
I'm sure there's something to be learned, it just takes part of the fun away from sport IMO.

Rob S
07-20-2016, 11:10 PM
I'm sure there's something to be learned, it just takes part of the fun away from sport IMO.

Don't be one of those guys, SP. Your English-ness is showing. Do you oppose goal line technology too?

cgf
07-20-2016, 11:12 PM
Advanced stats are pretty terrible in general.

2r-464KzH_k

SP
07-20-2016, 11:17 PM
Don't be one of those guys, SP. Your English-ness is showing. Do you oppose goal line technology too?

Oh absolutely not. I don't say it from that train of thought. I'm all for technology and any anti-traditionalist view tbh. It's just from a fan perspective I don't find it as fun. It's just too hard to avoid, with Basketball I'll use advanced stats all the time but end up hating myself for doing it religiously.

SP
07-20-2016, 11:19 PM
Advanced stats are pretty terrible in general.

2r-464KzH_k

Pretty much this. It's not necessarily the stats themselves more just the obsession.

Rob S
07-20-2016, 11:36 PM
I definitely understand that it makes it worse from a pure fan enjoyment perspective. But the fact that teams aren't pursuing them more aggressively is absolutely absurd.

SP
07-20-2016, 11:38 PM
Oh definitely, but football in general is kinda like baseball (from what I've heard) in that they don't want to progress in the slightest and are scared of any change whatsoever.

SP
07-20-2016, 11:41 PM
Wait towel, McGee is still on the clock.

Rob S
07-20-2016, 11:42 PM
Oh definitely, but football in general is kinda like baseball (from what I've heard) in that they don't want to progress in the slightest and are scared of any change whatsoever.

Eh - there are some stodgy old baseball types, but baseball is literally all stats. You can pretty much measure everything exactly. The NFL is probably the closer parallel to be honest.

Rob S
07-20-2016, 11:42 PM
Also, healthy Ilkay is great value.

towelie
07-20-2016, 11:44 PM
Also, healthy Ilkay is great value.
was thinking about him over james. and the bonus of sticking one to cgf

McGee
07-21-2016, 01:06 AM
Advanced stats are pretty terrible in general.

https://news.sportsinteraction.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1341/files/2014/03/PatrickRoyColoradoAvalanche.jpg

cgf
07-21-2016, 01:31 AM
Advanced stats aren't the reason the avs are bad.

Also, healthy Ilkay is great value.

He, Hamsik & Marchisio will cut teams open with Boa & Bonucci behind them. There's no pressing that. :cool:

scottyboy
07-21-2016, 02:10 AM
I am drunk and picked my boy btw

SP
07-21-2016, 12:21 PM
Someone text Zach!

Rob S
07-21-2016, 12:22 PM
Someone text Zach!

Just sent him a message.

Zach
07-21-2016, 12:52 PM
I'm roaming and don't have texting right now. Gimme a few.

McGee
07-21-2016, 02:01 PM
Pjanic is an excellent choice

Zach
07-21-2016, 02:06 PM
Thank you. Trying to figure out my midfield though haha. Was wanting to do a 4-1-2-1-2 diamond but strictly left and right guys are pretty hard to get.

cgf
07-21-2016, 02:12 PM
Pjanic was one of the guys I was considering in place of Hamsik or Ilkay. Very good pick.

SP
07-21-2016, 07:17 PM
Goddammit, McGee

towelie
07-21-2016, 07:40 PM
how bad of an idea is it to have azpi wide in a 352?

McGee
07-21-2016, 08:56 PM
I've seen people wonder about that since Conte came to Chelsea. It's far from ideal for me in something where you have this much freedom, not sure how committed you are to anything right now.

Not too surprised to see all those Spanish right backs go near each other, I like them all. Actually quite a few guys I liked there depending on what you're looking for.

Klaus
07-21-2016, 09:14 PM
I was quite happy to get Bellerin and Juanfran back to back. They compliment each other very well imo.

Rob S
07-21-2016, 09:26 PM
I was quite happy to get Bellerin and Juanfran back to back. They compliment each other very well imo.

Who are you going to play on the left?

Klaus
07-21-2016, 09:34 PM
Who are you going to play on the left?

Jonas Hector on the left, Bellerin on the right, Juanfran as the backup for now.

Klaus
07-21-2016, 09:47 PM
Going to bed. At this point just skip my picks if you get that far. I'll scrap something together in the morning if necessary. Worst comes to worst I'll pick Will Grigg.

Rob S
07-21-2016, 10:20 PM
Jonas Hector on the left, Bellerin on the right, Juanfran as the backup for now.

Ah - interesting choice as a sub. I'm probably passing on any backup full backs.

towelie
07-22-2016, 01:44 AM
Advanced stats are pretty terrible in general.
this is interesting by former player reinartz
Reinartz and Hegeler decided to look at passing; more specifically, they searched for a way to assign a numerical value to effective passing. Over the course of 18 months, they came up with a system that counts the number of opponents taken out of the game by a pass (or a successful dribble) and called it "Packing." Their innovation has proved so successful that it is being employed by analysts at Borussia Dortmund, Leverkusen and the German FA as well as by German state broadcaster ARD, who used it as an on-screen metric during Euro 2016.

Out of 51 games at France 2016, 34 were won by teams with higher Packing numbers for getting past defenders. Fourteen of the remaining 17 games were drawn, and only three games were lost by those who got beyond defenders more often than their opponents. That much all seems quite intuitive, but the bigger attraction of the system, perhaps, is that it reveals who exactly is responsible for getting the ball past opponents and into dangerous spaces.

With an average of 82 opponents taken out in each game, Real Madrid's Toni Kroos was the most effective passer at the Euros, according to Reinartz. Switzerland's Granit Xhaka amassed the fifth-best Packing rate (55 opponents, on average), which could explain why he was valued so highly by Arsenal coach Arsene Wenger, who sanctioned a €45 million transfer from Borussia Mönchengladbach.

"Our numbers for the Bundesliga show that Xhaka was the second-best holding midfielder after Xabi Alonso in the league, too, when it comes to verticality," Reinartz said. (Bayern Munich centre-back Jerome Boateng was the best player in Germany in 2015/16, taking out 75 players on average per game thanks to his excellent passing from the back.)

Crucially, the model also measures the effectiveness of pass recipients. While Italy's Graziano Pellè was the best target man at the Euros, collecting balls that took out an average of 82 players per game, Mesut Ozil's ability to find space in the opposition half as an outlet to teammates was equally remarkable. Passes to the German playmaker took out 63 players per game on average.This is the kind of insight that traditional statistics didn't provide; Ozil's passing skills were well-known, but his movement perhaps wasn't as valued.

Individual stats aside, Packing offers an interesting perspective on teams' playing styles, strengths and weaknesses, too. Belgium, for example, appeared as by far the best side when it came to getting past defenders -- Eden Hazard alone managed to take out nine defenders on average per game, no one else was as effective at the Euros -- but they were very bad at dealing with counter-attacks and thus extremely vulnerable to balls/players getting behind their defensive lines. (Wales, France and Portugal, by contrast, had the fewest players taken out on average per game.)

England's failure to create much of note against Iceland is also neatly captured by Reinartz's model: Roy Hodgson's men only got past 28 defenders over the course of the 90 minutes vs. Iceland in Nice, whereas their opponents were far more effective going forward, beating 41 defenders.

"England played without a sense for the dangerous spaces," Reinartz said. "They took up positions on the pitch rather than positions in space. They constantly [had] to rely on athleticism and one-vs-one situations because their passing and positional game [wasn't] good enough. That's the biggest advance in knowledge in Germany: we produce players and coaches who understand the importance of space."

http://www.espn.in/football/german-bundesliga/10/blog/post/2915634/stefan-reinartz-new-metric-packing-helps-us-understand-effective-passing

SP
07-22-2016, 01:47 AM
You can pick, towelie

towelie
07-22-2016, 01:51 AM
ok my loverboy will be up in a jiffy

towelie
07-22-2016, 01:59 AM
Dembele... Eye test certainly has him as the best Spurs MF player last year, which is saying something.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ozDNwBdjuyVpY2c/giphy.gif

Rob S
07-22-2016, 02:04 AM
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ozDNwBdjuyVpY2c/giphy.gif

I love me some Delle, but Moussa was for sure superior. See their complete collapse during his suspension. Great choice regardless.

Rob S
07-22-2016, 02:06 AM
Scotty. Please no.

towelie
07-22-2016, 02:10 AM
I love me some Delle, but Moussa was for sure superior. See their complete collapse during his suspension. Great choice regardless.
different skillsets, if alli missed a month, spurs would've dropped points too. maybe.
Scotty. Please no.
i respect it lol

cgf
07-22-2016, 02:12 AM
this is interesting by former player reinartz

http://www.espn.in/football/german-bundesliga/10/blog/post/2915634/stefan-reinartz-new-metric-packing-helps-us-understand-effective-passing

Yep. That's the start up he retired to found. There's some interesting stuff there for the clubs; though I loathe it's over emphasis amongst fans.

Rob S
07-22-2016, 02:14 AM
different skillsets, if alli missed a month, spurs would've dropped points too. maybe.


But would they have lost 5-1 to Newcastle?

towelie
07-22-2016, 02:17 AM
But would they have lost 5-1 to Newcastle?
ffs someone take me to the burn unit

Rob S
07-22-2016, 02:21 AM
ffs someone take me to the burn unit

Alli didn't play that game either to be fair. Maybe they would have won 6-5.

scottyboy
07-22-2016, 02:22 AM
Scotty. Please no.

USA USA USA USA USA

I needed at least one, we're picking subs and I'm loopy on new meds, you're just gonna have to deal with it

scottyboy
07-22-2016, 02:24 AM
Ok ok ok, I'll be more serious and change. I'm in it to win it

scottyboy
07-22-2016, 02:25 AM
WAIT I WANNA CHANGE IT AGAIN MAYBE I JUST REMEMBERED SOMEONE.

Shit

SP
07-22-2016, 02:32 AM
Change from Yaya?

scottyboy
07-22-2016, 03:06 AM
I'll keep him, just no one pick the other guy I want, deal?

Klaus
07-22-2016, 07:23 AM
Ah - interesting choice as a sub. I'm probably passing on any backup full backs.

Since we have 5 subs, I'm probably going 2xdefense, 2x midfield and 1x striker for my bench.

USA USA USA USA USA

I needed at least one, we're picking subs and I'm loopy on new meds, you're just gonna have to deal with it

Ok ok ok, I'll be more serious and change. I'm in it to win it

WAIT I WANNA CHANGE IT AGAIN MAYBE I JUST REMEMBERED SOMEONE.

Shit

This is a great string of posts.

Also, I'm getting inked for 6-7 hours today, so have no clue when I'll be online. Just skip my picks, unless I've posted within the last half hour.

McGee
07-22-2016, 07:44 AM
okay clearly we're on Danish time so I think it's unanimous that Eriksen is the Spurs' best.

(but really he's very good)

Klaus
07-22-2016, 08:09 AM
okay clearly we're on Danish time so I think it's unanimous that Eriksen is the Spurs' best.

(but really he's very good)

Obvious point is obvious.
And yeah, he is pretty damn good, just wish he could play well for the national team as well.. :(

Klaus
07-22-2016, 08:12 AM
On another note, good value on the Xhaka pick, McGee. Was considering him 50-60 spots ago, when I picked Matuidi for the central midfield.

McGee
07-22-2016, 02:10 PM
yeah I like Xhaka and he would seem useful for me. Better on the ball than Krychowiak, offers more physicality than I have between Kroos and a potentially deeper Eriksen.

SP
07-22-2016, 02:27 PM
Rob you can pick if you're around (Klaus too)

Rob S
07-22-2016, 04:04 PM
Just saw the above.

Klaus
07-22-2016, 05:24 PM
Rob you can pick if you're around (Klaus too)

Just got home. I'll toss up a couple of picks within 10.

Zach
07-22-2016, 06:30 PM
Skip me I'm driving when I'm up

cgf
07-22-2016, 11:06 PM
Was debating between Buffon & Cuadrado there; nice pick. Though I still love that silky colombian bastard as a wing back and am happy I got him...but it would've been cool if y'all had just left me Gigi at my next pick.

towelie
07-23-2016, 12:42 AM
i'm digging newcastle a lot. best team at first glance

SP
07-23-2016, 12:48 AM
I got happy because someone said they were digging Newcastle before I knew what you were talking about :D

And you can pick btw

towelie
07-23-2016, 01:35 AM
I got happy because someone said they were digging Newcastle before I knew what you were talking about :D

And you can pick btw
you're losing the bet btw tbh c;

towelie
07-23-2016, 01:35 AM
giminez goood pick. i gotta take 15 min

Zach
07-23-2016, 01:37 AM
Thanks. Completes my center back trio of Ramos, Silva, and Gimenez.

towelie
07-23-2016, 01:45 AM
Thanks. Completes my center back trio of Ramos, Silva, and Gimenez.
i got me belgian trio. wanted to take giminez over zouma earlier

towelie
07-23-2016, 01:48 AM
i got me belgian trio. wanted to take giminez over zouma earlier
uhh shoot with that said, can i take another guy instead of zouma?

SP
07-23-2016, 01:58 AM
Even though we're doing no injuries, Sturridge will still find a way to get injured.

towelie
07-23-2016, 02:05 AM
Even though we're doing no injuries, Sturridge will still find a way to get injured.
suarez and sturridge reunited and it feels so good

cgf
07-23-2016, 02:06 AM
Even though we're doing no injuries, Sturridge will still find a way to get injured.

If I didn't have good cover in case of an Ilkay injury I would be scared to laugh at this; but lol.

SP
07-23-2016, 02:13 AM
You can go ahead and pick, Rose.

suarez and sturridge reunited and it feels so good

That's actually nice. No idea how that Liverpool team didn't win the league smh. The Gerrard slip and Crystal Palace collapse should haunt their fans forever.

towelie
07-23-2016, 02:37 AM
You can go ahead and pick, Rose.



That's actually nice. No idea how that Liverpool team didn't win the league smh. The Gerrard slip and Crystal Palace collapse should haunt their fans forever.
yeah i have some interesting chemistry on my team

towelie
07-23-2016, 03:11 AM
uhh shoot with that said, can i take another guy instead of zouma?
what say ye?

SP
07-23-2016, 03:15 AM
Missed that, yeah go ahead

SP
07-23-2016, 03:18 AM
you're losing the bet btw tbh c;

We've made some decent signings and still have Rafa so I'm feeling confident. Looks like we won't lose that many guys either; Townsend, Wijnaldum, Sissoko, Janmaat, Krul and that might be it.

towelie
07-23-2016, 03:42 AM
the replacement is daley blind

Rob S
07-23-2016, 01:25 PM
Can I pick?

SP
07-23-2016, 01:28 PM
Yuppp

Klaus
07-23-2016, 01:52 PM
That wraps up my team. Good stuff guys. Are we doing write ups for our respective teams when the draft is done?

Zach
07-23-2016, 03:35 PM
Skip me when it's my turn.

SP
07-23-2016, 03:38 PM
I'll PM everyone for rankings after we've finished this last round so yeah, write up/put your lineup in the team thread.

towelie
07-23-2016, 04:11 PM
i really wanted to take another guy but based on form, casemiro is the guy

SP
07-23-2016, 05:25 PM
https://s31.postimg.org/oq9ifgonf/formation.png

The bottom formation will be my primary one. With Bravo, Sandro, Aurier, Willian and Higuain as the substitutes. Can also go 433 and 4231 pretty easily.