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Old 08-16-2019, 03:29 PM   #4181
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Then why should I regard Infinity War so highly if the real consequences were in the sequel?
I didn't tell you to Sham did. I look at them both as one movie.
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Old 08-16-2019, 03:30 PM   #4182
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One movie where one of the main character's arcs in the first half is resolved off screen before the second half.
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Old 08-16-2019, 03:31 PM   #4183
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There were consequences. Iron Man died, Black Widow died, the whole thing beat Cap to a point where he said fuck it I'm done, people suffered for years before order was restored.

There were definitely consequences.
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Old 08-16-2019, 03:35 PM   #4184
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One movie where one of the main character's arcs in the first half is resolved off screen before the second half.
What character?
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Old 08-16-2019, 03:39 PM   #4185
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There were consequences. Iron Man died, Black Widow died, the whole thing beat Cap to a point where he said fuck it I'm done, people suffered for years before order was restored.

There were definitely consequences.
All of which were in part two. None of the traumatic deaths in Infinity War meant anything in the long run because they were all brought back. Just like how nothing mattered in Civil War because nobody died, the one injury was healed with magic tech, and Captain America wrote a love letter at the end so everybody was still on good terms. I understand that's the nature of comic books where stories keep going for an eternity but it's one of the reasons I can't regard it so highly. Stakes matter, consequences matter, and for the most part, these Marvel movies seem devoid of them, or they matter temporarily until the next movie when the status quo is renewed.

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Hulk. The whole first movie Bruce Banner can't morph into Hulk and there's no resolution to it, and then in Endgame he's somehow overcome that problem between the two movies.
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Old 08-16-2019, 03:50 PM   #4186
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There was a really good article a year ago about the importance of endings and finality but I can't find it right now, so this one from 2016 will have to suffice:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...py-ever-afters
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Found it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/a...f-endings.html
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Old 08-16-2019, 04:09 PM   #4188
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Gamora, Loki, Vision and Heimdall died in infinity War, Gamora "came back" but she's not the same Gamora so there is still shit to be resolved there. Loki sort of came back to but that's a whole other consequence of its own. All of the characters when through some serious changes, but Thor especially after Loki and Heimdall died.

So between the 2 films you have Heimdall, Vision, Black Widow, Captain America and Iron Man gone. Vision will be brought back obviously but we don't really know in what capacity. You have attack on New York version of Loki escaping with the tesseract. You have Gamora before she fell in love with Peter off wherever she is, which I assume will be resolved in some way in Guardians 3. You also have potential for cracks in space time due to the snaps.

So yeah. Tons of consequences.

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Old 08-16-2019, 05:30 PM   #4189
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There was a really good article a year ago about the importance of endings and finality but I can't find it right now, so this one from 2016 will have to suffice:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...py-ever-afters
My friend kenny was bemoaning this a wbile back, so I made him watch Das Boot. It will always be my best example, but subtitles scare people off. Plus it males beerfest funnier.
Not surprised though, it was directed by the same bastard that killed Artax.
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Old 08-16-2019, 06:44 PM   #4190
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I'm not reading all these posts I'm just coming in here to say that Tron Legacy was awesome and the sound track was even better.
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Old 08-18-2019, 02:54 AM   #4191
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...vel-generation

And it will get worse for the movies as this sentence sends it home.

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“Last Jedi” director Rian Johnson is developing a new trilogy, and the creators of “Game of Thrones” are working on a movie.
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Old 08-18-2019, 06:28 AM   #4192
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Ok, Parasite was pretty fire.
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:29 PM   #4193
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https://www.cbr.com/sony-kills-spide...l-with-marvel/
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:35 PM   #4194
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Two huge stories today:

A: Spider-Man is out of the MCU due to Sony refusing to split profits with Disney
https://deadline.com/2019/08/kevin-f...er-1202672545/

B: The Matrix 4 is happening
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/m...ki-1203307955/
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:46 PM   #4195
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A: I mean I get that they feel they have a foundation but I don't see this ending well.

B: Nice. I was had the two sequels marked on my own calendar. Bought Animatrix and the games. Was there opening day to see Reloaded. I.......I never actually have watched Revolutions in full. Fully willing to give 4 a chance though.
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:54 PM   #4196
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Sony leadership what morons!!!
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:54 PM   #4197
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so stoked about Matrix 4
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Old 08-20-2019, 09:27 PM   #4198
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Sony is dumb af and don't understand their IP at all.
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Old 08-20-2019, 09:43 PM   #4199
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Matrix 4 will suck ass. The W siblings seem to be one shot wonders similar to M Night.

I would be happy to be wrong but I am comfortable saying that it will be sucky.
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Matrix 4 will suck ass. The W siblings seem to be one shot wonders similar to M Night.

I would be happy to be wrong but I am comfortable saying that it will be sucky.
The philosophy behind The Matrix I think is really interesting. There is a reason the first was so good. I just think they got bogged down in their own lore and didn't stick the landing. I think the many years between the movies means there is a decent shot Matrix 4 ends up being really good. Cloud Atlas and Speed Racer are both imo really fucking good movies (yes you fucks I love Speed Racer) so I'm keeping the faith.
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